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 Abt 1448 - Bef 1476 (~ 28 years)
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| Name |
Neville, Katherine |
| Born |
Abt 1448 |
England  |
| Gender |
Female |
| Died |
Bef 1476 |
Of Mapledurham, Oxfordshire, England |
| Person ID |
I05164 |
My Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
2 Nov 2017 |
| Family |
Iwardby, Sir John, b. Abt 1436, Of Great Purley, Berkshire, England , bur. 17 Nov 1525, Mapledurham, Oxfordshire, England (Age ~ 89 years) |
| Married |
05 Sep 1467 |
England |
| Children |
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| Family ID |
F00120 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- I have the PRO marriage settlement document for Katherine Neville and John Iwardby. It is dated 5 September 1467, so a slight adjustment of her death date seems needed."
Henry, when you get a chance, if the document is not too long, can you transcribe the 1467 marriage contract of John Iwardby and Katherine Nevill? I think it'll be very helpul in determining several things. 1) If John Iwardby the groom was the son or the grandson of John Iwardby, widower of Katherine Missenden. Was the groom's father alive in 1467?
2) The ages of the bride & groom. Edward Nevill, Lord Abergavenny, died in 1476, and Katherine his daughter was from his first marriage, so she was over 20 years old in 1467, if I calculated correctly. Was the groom about the same age?
3) A clue as to how on earth this marriage happened at all. The groom John Iwardby was a) not a knight, and the son of another John Iwardby, who was also apparently not a knight; b) either a younger son or the son of a younger son, so no inheritance prospects from the Iwardbys;
c) not the heir to his mother Jane Annesley, as she had a son from her first marriage, so no inheritance prospects from her end. How did this man land a wife in 1467 whose father was the lord of Abergavenny, a powerful Welsh barony, whose mother was the sole heiress of the Earl of Worcester, and whose first cousin was the King of England? (One of dozens of first cousins, true, though she was closer to Edward IV in age than many of the others.) It's impressive social climbing!
Cheers, ----Brad
Found it. Rather than a marriage settlement, but a writ before the King's Court regarding the marriage terms which had not been met:
"To the right reverent Fader in god the Bisshop of Bath & welles chancellar of England Specialy besechit your good Lordship Edward Nevil Lorde Abergavenny That Where John Iwardeby the elder p(ro)mised on the v day of September in ye vijth yere of the regn of Kyng Edward the iiijth by cause that John Iwardeby Sone of the Said John Wedded Kat'in Nevill my daughtr to paie v hundred marke of lawfull money to the Said Edward at the fest of Eastr then next folowing
under condiscon but if that the Said John Iwardeby the elder make a Simr Estat of the xlte of liveloid to the Said John his Sone & Kat'in my daughtr & to the heirres of their two bodys lawfully
be goton wthin xij month aftr the said day of promys of the Which promys of the Said John
iwardeby the elder nethw? the said condiscon not kept nethw? p(re)ferind? contr.. to al rigth trougth? & conaend? Where of the forsaid Edwarde hath noe remedy
by the comyn lawe Wherefor he besechit you to grant a writt Sub pena to be dyrectd to ye forsaid John Iwardeby the elder co(m)mandyng hym by the Same to attend a fore the Kyng in his chancery? under a paiyn & a day by your lordship ly..mited and the Said Edward shall prey for your Estat
Willing Stampe a lord yoman
Pley a p(re)d
Thomas Shancwel a lord yoman"
As best I can make out, Edward Nevill, Lord Abergavenny, appealed to the Chancellor of England to subpoena John Iwardby 'the elder' to force payment of 500 marks.
Iwardby, as per his end of the marriage contract, was supposed to
provide Lord Abergavenny with 500 marks by the Easter following the wedding. Or, Iwardby the elder should give his son the groom and Katherine the bride 500 marks worth of income within a year of their wedding. He apparently did neither.
From this document we know that John Iwardby the Elder, the father of John Iwardby of Surrey who married Katherine Nevill, was alive not only on 5 Sept. 1467, but also at least a year after that. I don't
know whether this is enough to determine if John Iwardby the Elder was
a) the John Iwardby of Quainton who was married first to Katherine
Missenden and 2nd to Jane Annesley, as Lesley Boatwright stated in her article 'The Buckinghamshire Six at Bosworth'; or b) a son of the former, who was married to Jane Annesley. It seems to favor the
second scenario.
The document doesn't tell us much about the ages of the bride and
groom in 1467. We know Katherine Nevill's mother died in 1448, so she had to have been born by then. If her husband's father was
negotiating marriage terms with her father Lord Abergavenny, instead of her husband himself negotiating with her father, that may mean the younger John Iwardby (the groom) was not of age (21) in 1467? Or it could mean that John the groom did not have the 500 marks without resorting to his father's help.
It's hard to tell how this marriage came to take place, as this plea
to the Chancellor only provides details of one end of the marriage
terms. For instance, what was the marriage portion (if any) that Lord
Abergavenny provided?
It's always dangerous to over-speculate with little evidence, but the
bride being in her very late teens/early 20s at the 1467 marriage, the
fact that John Iwardby the Elder seemed to be paying the 500 marks
after the event ("that by cause that John Iwardeby Sone of the Said
John Wedded Kat'in Nevill my daughtr"), and that the Iwardbys didn't seem to have the money - suggest that the marriage was not one Lord Abergavenny arranged. It may have been one Katherine chose on her own.
John and Katherine Iwardby held Sutton and Burgh in Norfolk out of the Neville estates:
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C 1/41/277
> John Ewarby and Kateryn his wife, daughter of Edward Nevill, lord
> Abergavenny. v. John Coket: Jointure out of the manors of Sutton and Berugh.: Norfolk.
Thanks, Henry. Makes my theory all wet. Still don't see what Lord
Abergavenny got out of this marriage - the advantage seems all on the IIwardbys.
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