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 Abt 1398 - 1410 (~ 12 years)
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| Name |
Carew, Elizabeth |
| Born |
Abt 1398 |
England  |
| Gender |
Female |
| Buried |
25 Sep 1410 |
St Mary's, Beddington, Surrey, England |
| Person ID |
I04681 |
My Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
7 Mar 2015 |
| Father |
Carew, Nicholas, b. Abt 1359, Of Beddington, Surrey, England , bur. 4 Sep 1432, Beddington , Surrey, England (Age ~ 73 years) |
| Mother |
Hayme, Mercy, b. Abt 1380, Of Winchester, Hampshire, England , d. Abt 1461, Friar Preachers, London, England (Age ~ 81 years) |
| Married |
Abt 1398 |
England |
| Family ID |
F00899 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- GEN_Medieval List:
ELIZABETH CAREW. Born in or shortly after 1398; died 25 Sep 1410 and was buried in Beddington Church. Her now lost monumental brass referred to her as 'Elizabetha filia Nicholai et Mariae' the latter name which should read 'Merciae' and wife of 'Thomae Lewknore.' Sir Thomas Lewkenor was one of the supervisors of the will of her father. Based upon her likely birthdate she was clearly a childbride and no issue was likely.
Hello again Doug,
You have the advantage on me with regard to the Lewkenor (Lewknor) family of whom I know little, but will check out the Sussex Visitation on my next trip to the library.
However, the chronology as set forth in your posting does not fit. The monumental inscription for Elizabeth Lewkenor is now lost, but the inscription is noted in A List of Monumental Brasses in Surrey, by J. M. Blatchly, 1921, p. 40, which notes the inscription can be found in Lansdowne MS. 874, fol. 30, and reads:
"Hic iacet Elizabetha filia Nicholas et Mariae uxoris eius quondam uxor Thomae Lewknore quae obiit 25 die Septemb' in festo Sci Firmini Ao Dni 1410."
The compiler inserts a footnote that applies to the name Mariae and comments it is an error for Merciae.
Since Elizabeth was the child of Nicholas Carew's second wife, Mercy Hayme, and he did not marry her until about July 1398, she could not be the wife of Roger Lewknor who died in 1400 and the mother of Thomas Lewknor who was born c1392 and whom you state to possibly be the grandson of Nicholas Carew. The monumental inscription is not noted as having been defaced or illegible prior to being transcribed in comparison with others where the missing inscriptions are so noted, such as with that of Nicholas's son Thomas. The inscription clearly states Elizabeth was the wife (uxor) of Thomas Lewknore and not his mother (mater). With Elizabeth being born in say 1398 or 1399, she could not have been the mother of a child prior to her death in 1410, or possibly just so, if she was very very mature for her age and her death may have been precipitated by childbirth. But that's stretching it.
Ronny Bodine
Are you sure we arn't talking about two different matches?
Thomas Lewknor and Elizabeth Carew (da. of John of Fulford); and Roger Lewknor and Elizabeth Carew (da. of Nicholas Carew)
There are many conflicting sources and the three possibilities which
have emerged place her differently:
1) Elizabeth as daughter of Nicholas Carew and Isabel Delamere, as you suggest and have correctly cited from _The Carews of Beddington_ which I also have.
I believe this is incorrect as Nicholas, son of Nicholas and Alice (not Isabel apparently) Delamare, is shown with an only son, another Nicholas, by his first wife, but eight sons and eight daughters by his second wife Marcia Hayme (HOP [1386} II:433-4]. Of the 16 children of the second marriage, I believe there was only one who reached maturity.
2) Elizabeth as daughter of Nicholas Carew and Marcia Hayme. Some sources place her here, but again I think she belongs to an earlier generation.
3) Elizabeth as daughter of Nicholas Carew and Lucy Willoughby and sister of the Nicholas of the two marriages to Delamare and Hayme. I believe this is where she belongs. So far my only confirmation is Gary Boyd Roberts RD500, p. 431 which gives this placement, so the search for further documentation continues.
The Sussex Archaeological Collections Vol III p 92 has the parents of Sir Thomas Leknor (who m Philippa Dalyngrudge) as Sir Roger Leknor (Knight of the Shire 4th Hen IV (1404), ob 10 Edw IV., Inq p m 13 Edw IV) by Elizabeth _da of Sir John Carew, of Fulford_.
This work is based partly on the visitation of 1634 as reproduced in Harl.MS., No 1562, and adds that the Visitation in Harl. MS No 1406 is a hasty and bad copy of that visitation.
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