 1587 - Abt 1612 (~ 24 years)
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| Name |
Attye, Robert |
| Born |
Jan 1587 |
of Kilbourn, London, England  |
| Gender |
Male |
| Died |
Abt 1612 |
England |
| Person ID |
I01865 |
My Genealogy |
| Last Modified |
14 Jan 2015 |
| Family |
St. John, Jane, b. Abt 1592, Of Wiltshire, England , bur. 21 Mar 1654, Willesden, London, England (Age ~ 62 years) |
| Married |
22 May 1606 |
St Margaret's, Westminster, England |
| Children |
| | 1. Attye, Eleanor, c. 4 Jun 1608, St Sepulchre, Holborn, London, England , bur. 22 Nov 1678, Willesden, London, England (Age ~ 70 years) |
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| Family ID |
F00751 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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| Notes |
- From: "Kevan L. Barton" Subject: Repost: Estate Conveyance: Atye and St. John
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:19:59 -0500
In-Reply-To:
....When Sir Arthur Atye, Knt., of Kilburn Priory, Middlesex, died 2 Dec 1604, his s. and h. Robert Atye, Esq., of Kilburn Priory was aged 17 years, 11 months. This would put Robert's birthday at c. Jan 1587. According to NHH, the wardship was granted to the Earl of Devon per the wishes of Sir Arthur. If this is true, the Earl would probably have been William Courtenay.
Arthur's IPM was conducted 2 Jac. (1604/05?) and found him "seised of one moiety of the manor of Hampstead alias Shuttep-Hill, held of the king in capite by a fourth part of a knight's fee, and valued at 4l.2s. and the site of the dissolved monastery of Kilborne, with the demesne lands, held of the king in capite, by knight's service, and valued at 40 shillings". (NHH. Cole's Escheats, Harl. MS. 410. p. 63)
NHH states that Robert Atye, "on his marriage with Jane, daughter of Sir John Saint John, of Lydiard Tregoze, conveyed this manor of Hampstead with appurtenances in Hampstead, Hendon, and Ealing held of the king in capite, to the said John St. John, [This John would not have been Jane's father (d. 1594), but her brother John, who would become the 1st Baronet], his heirs and assigns, to the use of the Said Robert Atye for life, and then to the use of his wife Jane for life, as her jointure; and then to the use of the first, second, and other sons of the said Robert Atye and his wife Jane, and their heirs male successively; and in default of such issue sundry remainders over." This alienation supposedly took place 1 Dec 6 Jac (1608/9?).
Robert and Jane, however, had no surviving issue male and the estate was conveyed, c. 1637, by Sir John St. John to Eleanor wife of Sir William Roberts, knt. of Willesdon, and daughter and heir of the said Robert Atye. (NHH. Pat. 6 Jac. p. 27, m. 13). Robert had died in 1612 according to Friends of Lydiard Tregoz Report No. 20, dated 16 May 1987. Jane died in 1654.
Now, the problem. Robert and Jane's heir, Eleanor (alias Anne), was born 4 June 1608. There is also a Hampstead registered, 11 June 1606, birth of an Arthur Atye, son of Mr. Robert Atye. Obviously, the conveyance (1608/9) of the estate "on the marriage of" presents problems.
In today's parlance, I'd assume the statement "on the marriage of" to mean when they were married. I'd assume then that the Robert Atye/St. John marriage occurred in 1608. Can the conveyance have occurred a number of years after the marriage, after the children started coming, and still mean "on the marriage of"? The Friends of Lydiard Tregoze give the marriage date as c. 1607.
Remember that Robert would have been just 20/21 years of age at the conveyance, and I believe, just recently took possession of his properties. Prior to that, they would have been tied up in his wardship. Would a conveyance have been postponed until after the wardship was over?
This is all pretty basic, but I wanted to get your thoughts on it as it has tremendous bearing on my genealogy. Keep in mind as well that Middlesex Pedigrees provides Jane and Robert as the parents of Eleanor. As does NNH. The question is not on the marriage of Jane and Robert, just when it occurred.
Any notes welcome.
Cheers,
Kevan
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